Yo, im practicing karate and also mma from time to time.(ill go for more mma when i get some additional time and money ) what do you do? I already know some absolvers that practice martial arts in rl,
I be. Boxing off and on for about 13 years, Jiu jitsu for about 3, Muay Thai for 2. I used to box out of a Muay Thai gym but never actually started Kick-boxing until fairly recent. Now I train at a UFC gym and do all 3 (but mostly Muay Thai).
Hiya, I'm a 1st degree in ITF Taekwondo, but only yesterday discovered this game on PS4 via the PS+ membership. TBH I heard of Absolver some time back but didn't properly comprehend what it was (I was also really busy around time of original release with my own work and training so gaming took a back seat)... Anyway, last night I downloaded it and played it for the first time, spending a couple of hours in PVE and PVP, just fooling around not knowing what I was doing. One thing I really liked (and didn't expect at all) is that the fights can be very tactical, using guard and movement/side-stepping, punches, kicks, feints, counter-attacks and so on, just like we do in sparring and competitions!
Looking forward to playing this some more as I need to pay attention to some of how the game mechanics are working, and eventually it could be fun to see if I can make my character behave somewhat similar to my own fighting style.
I also know that if the devs were to release paid expansions or a sequel, I'd be all over them right away
This is another case of people not understanding MMA. The first letter gives it away, MIXED! Joice Gracie=JiuJitsu, Machida=Shotokan, Wonderboy=Karate, Rousey=Judo, Silva=Muay-Thai, Liddel=Kempo, etc. etc. etc. MMA is full of traditional styles but they MIX them, they evolve, they get objectively BETTER. MMA is cross-cultural progress. MMA is... ABSOLVER! Using the best of different styles to suit the individuals affinities. And regarding bullshido, yeah, there's LOTS. MMA is the auditor of lies; your Chakra makes you invincible? OK, show me. Your Qi can punch through walls? Prove it! I train MMA with Thai kick-boxers that bow, wear traditional garb, maintain their cultural heritage and will absolutely DESTROY a MF. They can walk the walk. If your soft-style, flow-like-water, mystery bullshit doesn't work; then you've been conned, and its bullshido. Side-note=if you think MMA doesnt require respect and discipline, you're out of your mind.
A lot of people don't train their traditional arts like an MMA martial artist does, so that's true. I have met traditional martial artists that are very, very good, and can definitely walk the walk, but no one can be a good martial artist without training conditioning, stamina, and skill.
As far as soft style arts, I think a lot of people in that have their head in the clouds. However, qi is real (it's bioelectricity), and if you want to relax, stay healthy (or heal up), then something like Tai Chi or qigong is great.
well you can train traditional martial arts very practical too if you fight with full contact, and to train them without it is okay. Bullshito are the martial artists that dont train to fight realistically and exspect to succeed in a real fight anyway.
I’ve been a wrestler in school since I was 13, just finished my senior year and I’ve been training MMA for about 2 Years now, I am turning 18 on July 31st so I can officially fight in New York. I train in 10th Planet Jiu jitsu (Rochester, New York) , and Train in “Real fighters” Eric Haycraft Dutch Kickboxing / Muay Thai. I have dreams to be the best someday, that’s why I started so young.
And think about it like this you can’t get everything from one martial art and but you can bits and pieces of all and use what is useful discard what is not as the great Bruce Lee once said “Absorb what is useful. Reject what is useless. Add what is essentially your own."
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This is another case of people not understanding MMA. The first letter gives it away, MIXED! Joice Gracie=JiuJitsu, Machida=Shotokan, Wonderboy=Karate, Rousey=Judo, Silva=Muay-Thai, Liddel=Kempo, etc. etc. etc. MMA is full of traditional styles but they MIX them, they evolve, they get objectively BETTER. MMA is cross-cultural progress. MMA is... ABSOLVER! Using the best of different styles to suit the individuals affinities. And regarding bullshido, yeah, there's LOTS. MMA is the auditor of lies; your Chakra makes you invincible? OK, show me. Your Qi can punch through walls? Prove it! I train MMA with Thai kick-boxers that bow, wear traditional garb, maintain their cultural heritage and will absolutely DESTROY a MF. They can walk the walk. If your soft-style, flow-like-water, mystery bullshit doesn't work; then you've been conned, and its bullshido. Side-note=if you think MMA doesnt require respect and discipline, you're out of your mind.
I have to disagree on that one. MMA is built from traditional arts. I practiced traditional arts (not MMA) for many years, but my intent was to learn self defense, not competitively fight. If anyone in the style I practiced wanted to fight competitively, there was an entire training regimen that was similar to MMA, with tons of daily conditioning and skill training to prepare. I don't believe any art is specifically more effective than another, only that if someone trains for a competitive fight they are going to have an edge over someone that doesn't. However, not everyone wants that -- there's a ton of reasons to learn a martial art, including for mental and physical health, or just to develop confidence.
well you can train traditional martial arts very practical too if you fight with full contact, and to train them without it is okay. Bullshido are the martial artists that dont train to fight realistically and exspect to succeed in a real fight anyway.
^ That's bullshido. I've been to tai chi seminars where the students believed they could use it in a fight by osmosis, without ever practicing a single martial application. I've also talked to Aikido students where they didn't learn to punch, but it was "implied", so if they needed to punch, it would work. Basically, without actually punching a bag, or practicing an application, you won't be able to use it in a fight, and if you do, you'll most likely break your hand or hurt yourself.
I've done taekwondo, boxing, wrestling and bots of others. I want to learn Jeet Kun Do, Tai Chi and Krav Maga. I've also done fencing, rapier fighting (just like fencing lol) and a bit of kendo.
Since a real fight has no rules protection or other restrictions, yeah even UFC can be considered bullshito. But ofc advanced ufc fighters could use quite alot of their skills in a real fight, until they get shot or stabbed that is xD. I dont think anyone here practices martial arts 100% for self defense and not although for fun and fitness so it actually doesnt matter that much.
Tai Chi and Akido are very deadly martial arts, the are also used to center ones chi or spirit.
They are martial arts, to fully understand them, try them out.
I know, when taught by a good teacher that isn't holding anything back, Tai Chi is a great martial art. However, from what I've seen, the martial applications are rarely taught -- at least in the west. The seminar I went to didn't teach martial applications at all, and the students even told me the teacher basically threw away martial arts as part of the teaching, because the goal is to "connect to the Universe."
I practice Cheng Man Ching's Tai Chi form, because I think he wasn't holding anything back, and I can see the martial applications in it.
Anyway, same holds for Aikido. Great martial art, but the way the student I was talking to was being taught, there was a punch in the form that was "implied" but never practiced, and he was convinced he could use a punch if he needed it, without ever practicing. Bullshido isn't in the art, but in the teaching.
Generally I agree with all the thoughtful posts on this thread. I would just add that "Martial Arts" don't strictly need to be FOR fighting, but rather related to fighting or inspired by it. I truly believe that real combat is inherently ugly; it's a gritty thing that's more science than "art". Inserting mysticism and elegance into the act of killing somebody is appealing but unrealistic.
If you mean qi or internal arts by elegance and mysticism, then you're missing something. A real internal art is soft because tension slows you down and causes injury. Aikido also has an element where you don't hurt your opponent. Harming someone isn't something you want to do unless it's life or death self defense. That's why philosophy and internal arts are a very good balance to martial training.
If you mean mysticism by believing you can knock your opponent out without touching them, or use your mind to stop someone from wanting to attack you (someone seriously told me this), or any other mumbo jumbo, then yeah, I agree.
A fight wont look that appealing with eye pokes, ball-kicks , finger breakers and ofc what i think is most underestimated, bites. Not to mention what a head can look like when its caught between ones foot and the ground So this "Bullshito" MMA is a good compromise i guess
Yes and no. I am somewhat referring to Qi. I lived in China for a few years and got my Bachelors degree in Chinese; the whole origin of "qi" and its meaning makes it clear that it has no basis in reality and no function in fighting. As for tension, every martial art teaches that; they just do it with less... elegance. Usually its just a coach yelling at you to "stay loose" or "relax". As for the do-no-harm elements, I'm all for it. A lot of submissions are designed to incapacitate without injuring. But Aikido? No offense but I've never seem a convincing Aikido demonstration. If we're talking non-striking, standing submissions, I'd have to say Judo has a much better track record. Aikido is too counter-centric, that is to say, it makes too many assumptions about the intentions/motions of the attacker. Judo shows more initiative
Yes and no. I am somewhat referring to Qi. I lived in China for a few years and got my Bachelors degree in Chinese; the whole origin of "qi" and its meaning makes it clear that it has no basis in reality and no function in fighting.
You lived in China and came to the conclusion that qi has no basis in reality? TCM is based on qi. Their government also agreed with you (in the 1950s), but now it's accepted there as being scientifically based. Qigong is prescribed as medicine there.
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I already know some absolvers that practice martial arts in rl,
Looking forward to playing this some more as I need to pay attention to some of how the game mechanics are working, and eventually it could be fun to see if I can make my character behave somewhat similar to my own fighting style.
I also know that if the devs were to release paid expansions or a sequel, I'd be all over them right away
As far as soft style arts, I think a lot of people in that have their head in the clouds. However, qi is real (it's bioelectricity), and if you want to relax, stay healthy (or heal up), then something like Tai Chi or qigong is great.
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Mma=bullshido basically
Tai Chi and Akido are very deadly martial arts, the are also used to center ones chi or spirit.
They are martial arts, to fully understand them, try them out.
I practice Cheng Man Ching's Tai Chi form, because I think he wasn't holding anything back, and I can see the martial applications in it.
Anyway, same holds for Aikido. Great martial art, but the way the student I was talking to was being taught, there was a punch in the form that was "implied" but never practiced, and he was convinced he could use a punch if he needed it, without ever practicing. Bullshido isn't in the art, but in the teaching.
If you mean mysticism by believing you can knock your opponent out without touching them, or use your mind to stop someone from wanting to attack you (someone seriously told me this), or any other mumbo jumbo, then yeah, I agree.
A fight wont look that appealing with eye pokes, ball-kicks , finger breakers and ofc what i think is most underestimated, bites.
Not to mention what a head can look like when its caught between ones foot and the ground
So this "Bullshito" MMA is a good compromise i guess
As for the do-no-harm elements, I'm all for it. A lot of submissions are designed to incapacitate without injuring. But Aikido? No offense but I've never seem a convincing Aikido demonstration. If we're talking non-striking, standing submissions, I'd have to say Judo has a much better track record. Aikido is too counter-centric, that is to say, it makes too many assumptions about the intentions/motions of the attacker. Judo shows more initiative