This move is far too safe. Either make it slower so you can actually do something or have it counter everything but lows. Right now it's such an op crutch... Frustrating move really.
Oh and while you are at it, there was a time when you pulled out stats regarding CT victory per style before starting to use the nerf hammer on Kahlt. I would be interested in having the same stat now.
All the new players that I see who actually have a clue about how the game works use forsaken, having to feint once to get thought them is ok but when you have to start feinting twice or three times in a row it really starts getting heated. I can imagine the hell new players who chose a less OP style are going through really...
yepp more people suggest to change p&s already. i'd prefere a bit other animation, a parry to one complete side(that should remain), followed by a much slower strike to make the parry necessary. much like twist parry and strike, just faster (than twist p&s) but not as tracking or damaging .
Jeantall I already know that I do feint, I do change the speed of my attacks, I play since day one.
People just block until the see the right side, fast or slow, parry strike is so blazingly fast and safe that even on a miss it can interrupt you and thats the issue. The fact that is has so much utility for so little risk.
Every experienced absolver player know forsaken is on top of every other style.
if forsaken is beating your kahlt then you are bad bro just sayin... kahlt can jab spam and use parry strike for ez wins fact that you are crying about parry strike and not using it baffles the mind
1) don't bro me 2) if you think kahlt is better than forsaken then obviously you are still playing in the low skill strata 3) so because parry strike is admittedly ez win everyone should use it ? and I should jab spam because, why not let's all jab spam and have zero variety. 4) your lack of diplomacy baffles the mind 5) and who am I talking to anyway, what platform, what handle ?
1) don't bro me 2) if you think kahlt is better than forsaken then obviously you are still playing in the low skill strata 3) so because parry strike is admittedly ez win everyone should use it ? and I should jab spam because, why not let's all jab spam and have zero variety. 4) your lack of diplomacy baffles the mind 5) and who am I talking to anyway, what platform, what handle ?
lets keep the fighting in game and focus on new sensei's idea.
Ill have to agree with santos that we need to mellow out. I honestly only stopped replying to this post due to the downright hostile response I got.(at least that is the feeling I got.) I think everyone has their own opponent style that drives them nuts for example I hate windfall users. I never have trouble with forsaken or kahlt. This can extend to the nature of your decks or personal play style as well. I don't think parry strike has ever given me trouble. As for playing since the start? I have as well and trust me it does not make you all knowing or good. It only means you been here for each patch and change in the game. I have helped quite a few players who are now better then me and I win a lot more then I lose, so I can honestly say I am not bad.
Ill have to agree with santos that we need to mellow out. I honestly only stopped replying to this post due to the downright hostile response I got.(at least that is the feeling I got.) I think everyone has their own opponent style that drives them nuts for example I hate windfall users. I never have trouble with forsaken or kahlt. This can extend to the nature of your decks or personal play style as well. I don't think parry strike has ever given me trouble. As for playing since the start? I have as well and trust me it does not make you all knowing or good. It only means you been here for each patch and change in the game. I have helped quite a few players who are now better then me and I win a lot more then I lose, so I can honestly say I am not bad.
I have no idea if that face was a good one or a bad one...but the naughty one just makes me think of a magazine with the logo "absolvers gone wild"....and all that is on is a picture of a absolver without a mask.......not like this.
More on topic are now talking about the forsaken style or parry strike? If its about the style then I do think some changes need to be made. Risk/reward on the defense styles are for sure a little screwy in my opinion. However the move itself is not all that op really or at least with my experience of it.
I have no idea if that face was a good one or a bad one...but the naughty one just makes me think of a magazine with the logo "absolvers gone wild"....and all that is on is a picture of a absolver without a mask.......not like this.
More on topic are now talking about the forsaken style or parry strike? If its about the style then I do think some changes need to be made. Risk/reward on the defense styles are for sure a little screwy in my opinion. However the move itself is not all that op really or at least with my experience of it.
i dont play those particular styles other than having played forsaken i now belong to drunken school of crane and harp, i would like it more if there was some images or photos or fan art added to these suggestions to better.
@Jeantall i havent had problems against p&s too but im using it myself and know that abusing it leeds to a lot easier win most of the time, because p&s spam breaks almost every combo of your opponent while remaining almost save. Ofc he can than try to side-or low-dodge but i got underknee kick at the same stance ,wich is fast enough to counter the rest. P&S really should interrupt some fast moves like fast punch and so on just because of its speed.
BTK or wwdp would be even cheesier as alternative to p&s .
I'm in the same boat as methamos. I haven't had many problems against P&S, but since I've started using it, I've noticed it gets me out of trouble a lot... maybe too much. That being said, I have way more issues with BTK and WWDP; I play Khalt Boxer so sweeps and doubles are inherently difficult for me.
BTK or WWDP can be reacted upon, either by defensive or with a low avoid move. WWDP is so flashy you cannot miss it. Problem with P&S is that it's fast, it parries high, mid and low, vertical or horizontal. it stops you dead in the middle of a combo with no way to prevent I and lands a hit for free, feint a move to bait it get hit by a blazing fast punch nonetheless.
Exactly the same mechanic that makes Forsaken so annoying to play against and over every other style.
You know there is an issue with it when you notice 90% of the "gifted" new players either play forsaken or an other class with one or both of the parry moves and rely solely on that to reverse the combat flow.
Most of what you said it true but some of it doesn't apply to me. WWDP gets through my defensive (the second hit breaks my Absorb) and I can't avoid low because there are no punches that do that (besides Falcon but its too slow). But yes, I agree, P&S is blatantly OP; but I can Absorb it (sort of), I can side-dodge with a Body Blow. I don't have those options against WWDP. My only point is, there are lots of OP moves. I personally see WWDP and Grab Punch CONSTANTLY, easily the 2 most common moves I encounter. Also Hand-Stand kick can kiss my ass: Double, Dodges High, hits laterally? That's a boxing builds worst nightmare. But again, I think the general consensus of this thread is: Yes. P&S is OP.
Most of what you said it true but some of it doesn't apply to me. WWDP gets through my defensive (the second hit breaks my Absorb) and I can't avoid low because there are no punches that do that (besides Falcon but its too slow). But yes, I agree, P&S is blatantly OP; but I can Absorb it (sort of), I can side-dodge with a Body Blow. I don't have those options against WWDP. My only point is, there are lots of OP moves. I personally see WWDP and Grab Punch CONSTANTLY, easily the 2 most common moves I encounter. Also Hand-Stand kick can kiss my ass: Double, Dodges High, hits laterally? That's a boxing builds worst nightmare. But again, I think the general consensus of this thread is: Yes. P&S is OP.
and why is that? I don't think any employees have responded to your chat as its in the discussion threat and not the suggestion thread etc. With no recent patches as well they have not had time to do much of anything about it even if they did see fit to alter the moves. If you wanted to make a suggestion their very quick in reading suggestions and even make it a point that they have seen it.
Starting to believe Sloclap employees are forsaken and P&S worshippers
Because they dont change it immediatly xD? It took quite a while to balance absolver to the state today and i think its necessary that the Devs. are taking their time to think balancing options through.
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All the new players that I see who actually have a clue about how the game works use forsaken, having to feint once to get thought them is ok but when you have to start feinting twice or three times in a row it really starts getting heated. I can imagine the hell new players who chose a less OP style are going through really...
People just block until the see the right side, fast or slow, parry strike is so blazingly fast and safe that even on a miss it can interrupt you and thats the issue. The fact that is has so much utility for so little risk.
Every experienced absolver player know forsaken is on top of every other style.
2) if you think kahlt is better than forsaken then obviously you are still playing in the low skill strata
3) so because parry strike is admittedly ez win everyone should use it ? and I should jab spam because, why not let's all jab spam and have zero variety.
4) your lack of diplomacy baffles the mind
5) and who am I talking to anyway, what platform, what handle ?
I think everyone has their own opponent style that drives them nuts for example I hate windfall users. I never have trouble with forsaken or kahlt. This can extend to the nature of your decks or personal play style as well. I don't think parry strike has ever given me trouble.
As for playing since the start? I have as well and trust me it does not make you all knowing or good. It only means you been here for each patch and change in the game. I have helped quite a few players who are now better then me and I win a lot more then I lose, so I can honestly say I am not bad.
Not my post but ballista gets it like a lot of others.
Either have to be blind or playing Forsaken and wishing it wouldn't get the same kind of treatment the other styles had.
More on topic are now talking about the forsaken style or parry strike? If its about the style then I do think some changes need to be made. Risk/reward on the defense styles are for sure a little screwy in my opinion. However the move itself is not all that op really or at least with my experience of it.
BTK or wwdp would be even cheesier as alternative to p&s .
Exactly the same mechanic that makes Forsaken so annoying to play against and over every other style.
You know there is an issue with it when you notice 90% of the "gifted" new players either play forsaken or an other class with one or both of the parry moves and rely solely on that to reverse the combat flow.
My only point is, there are lots of OP moves. I personally see WWDP and Grab Punch CONSTANTLY, easily the 2 most common moves I encounter. Also Hand-Stand kick can kiss my ass: Double, Dodges High, hits laterally? That's a boxing builds worst nightmare.
But again, I think the general consensus of this thread is: Yes. P&S is OP.
Just have a bit of patience